Comments on: The difference between proficiency and growth https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/ See Every Student. Mon, 13 Feb 2023 18:41:29 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.2 By: Carole Crawford https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-69383 Wed, 02 May 2018 18:28:44 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-69383 In reply to Jan Bryan, Ed.D., Vice President, National Education Officer.

LOL. What an awesome blog post – and I love the conversation!

]]>
By: Anne T. https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3437 Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:04:38 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3437 I appreciate the growth measurement because it allows us to focus on the individual student and their own progress regardless of where they started.

]]>
By: Sandra Polacheck https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3436 Wed, 08 Feb 2017 20:50:25 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3436 Proficiency and growth are both important. This also speaks to the rate of intervention. In an intervention program, students attempt to reach proficiency with their skills (the destination); however, how long it takes them to get there (growth) or the journey matters. This is why SGP is important to consider. If a student is not growing fast enough in relation to his/her peers then we need to understand why. This could indicate that the student needs something different or has a need that we as teachers are not meeting and so we adjust what we are doing. This is why I always consider both when I am making instructional decisions for my students.

]]>
By: Kelsie https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3434 Wed, 08 Feb 2017 20:33:09 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3434 That is a good distinction between the two and a good way to show how they are still related and the importance of both.

]]>
By: Virginia Travis https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3433 Wed, 08 Feb 2017 20:07:15 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3433 Showing Growth is the best measurement of progress,

]]>
By: Laura Shultz https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3432 Wed, 08 Feb 2017 19:51:53 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3432 I love the quote “In the simplest analogy possible, proficiency is a destination; growth is the journey.” If only the path for each student could be that simple.

]]>
By: Andrea Wendt https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3430 Wed, 08 Feb 2017 19:20:37 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3430 Growth is the key to their success! Making a year’s growth is essential, and I try to help the students who are behind make more than a year’s growth to close the gap. Teaming with the intervention teachers, meeting with our grade level teachers each month, helps to see which students need extra help.

]]>
By: Darrell Baty https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3409 Wed, 08 Feb 2017 03:42:39 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3409 They both are important and necessary, but growth is primary and proficiency secondary.

]]>
By: carolina https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3401 Tue, 07 Feb 2017 20:17:55 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3401 In reply to Ami K. Edwards.

I totally agree, they are both equally important. Keeping in mind that they must both be growing.

]]>
By: Chimere McRae https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3393 Tue, 07 Feb 2017 19:24:55 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3393 Although both are necessary, growth is most important to me.

]]>
By: Jan Bryan, Ed.D., Vice President, National Education Officer https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3389 Tue, 07 Feb 2017 18:57:49 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3389 In reply to Katherine Williams.

Thank you, Katherine. Please continue to “shout from the rooftops” that ALL students benefit from teaching that understands where they are, how far they’ve come, and how much more than can grow.

]]>
By: Jan Bryan, Ed.D., Vice President, National Education Officer https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3388 Tue, 07 Feb 2017 18:53:35 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3388 In reply to Lloyd.

Thank you, Lloyd. The “good enough” idea came to me as I researched dozens of proficiency benchmarks—and all reflect the minimum entry point into near/on-grade-level performance at this point in time. Like you, I wonder why we would give that so much weight. Without a doubt, it’s important to know and to make plans to close skill gaps and challenge on-level or higher-performing students, but the concept of “good enough for now” leaves me wanting to know more. A focus on growth—as you suggest—gives me that information. Yes, the remedial pianist has as great an opportunity to grow as the virtuoso. Their growth should be equally celebrated! (As you most likely suspected—the story of the virtuoso who can’t read music is true. The university failed to recognize that even as a virtuoso, he needed to grow. I believe, to this day, he could have been taught to read music.)

]]>
By: Jan Bryan, Ed.D., Vice President, National Education Officer https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3387 Tue, 07 Feb 2017 18:50:50 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3387 In reply to Carly.

Thank you for this thoughtful reply, Carly. Your comments about Maslow and the whole child are particularly poignant in a time when educators are asked to implement social-emotional learning—with a focus on the whole child. We will get it right one day—once we realize that understanding and teaching to the whole child requires us to understand where the child is, whether or not that place is appropriate for this content and grade level, and how much this child grown. We need it all.

Just a quick FYI for you regarding RTI/MTSS. I have a blog post on how RTI has matured over the past 50 years considering Student Growth Percentile (growth) is now acceptable in progress monitoring. See https://www.renaissance.com/2016/08/04/fastbacks-flashbacks-and-response-to-intervention or http://www.ednetinsight.com/news-alerts/voice-from-the-industry/response-to-intervention–this-generation-of-data-fueled-decision-making.html.

Also, if you want to learn more about SGP in progress monitoring, download the Renaissance Special Report at https://www.renaissance.com/resources/student-growth-percentile/special-report-request-form.

]]>
By: Jan Bryan, Ed.D., Vice President, National Education Officer https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3386 Tue, 07 Feb 2017 17:58:47 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3386 In reply to Renee Graham.

Thank you for reading, Renee. We double-checked the problem you came across downloading the Special Report on Student Growth Percentile, but we didn’t notice anything unusual on our end. I would make sure your pop-ups aren’t being blocked. Otherwise, your school’s firewall could be preventing you from downloading the report as well.

Let us know if you’re still unable to download the report!

]]>
By: S.Bellomo https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3385 Tue, 07 Feb 2017 17:12:40 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3385 I think that you have to gauge proficiency so that you can set a goal for growth. It is important to know your starting point and then plan the journey for growth. Setting student reading goals and daily reading practice is vital to the students’ success.

]]>
By: Katherine Williams https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3383 Tue, 07 Feb 2017 15:40:47 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3383 As a third grade teacher, I see the importance of both. Students who are not proficient really begin to struggle in all areas around 3rd grade. However, I think growth is important because ALL students (high or low) need to be taught in a classroom. Using growth as a measure shows that no child is being left out of learning and all children are being encouraged and making progress.

]]>
By: Sarah Swanzy https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3377 Tue, 07 Feb 2017 10:54:12 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3377 Proficiency is often the ultimate goal. However, growth is key to ensuring that every child in your classroom grows as a learner.

]]>
By: Virginia Wiedenfeld https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3366 Mon, 06 Feb 2017 22:29:44 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3366 I especially enjoyed the intro –the fact that the article was PG (Proficiency and Growth)! The information gave me something to think about in education. Are my aims for proficiency or for growth when I am teaching a lesson.

]]>
By: Kelly Barr https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3364 Mon, 06 Feb 2017 21:49:51 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3364 I think that both are important to measure over time but to my growth is the more important factor. Especially when dealing with Special Education students that may never hit the proficient bar.

]]>
By: Renee Graham https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3318 Sat, 04 Feb 2017 22:59:49 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3318 The proficiency destination keeps moving. The growth makes sure we keep arriving!

]]>
By: Lloyd https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3317 Sat, 04 Feb 2017 21:53:39 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3317 If we take the definition of proficiency as ‘good enough’ as stated in the blog, then there is a finite end point. I tend to subscribe to the growth model because it implicitly denotes that there is no end point. The remedial piano player can improve just as the virtuoso. In a classroom it translates into bringing up the remedial student to grade level ‘proficiency’ but also taking the exceptional student an pushing them further. There is never a limit to growth in an academic setting.

]]>
By: Ami K. Edwards https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3314 Sat, 04 Feb 2017 18:54:35 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3314 I think they are both important, but growth is the key.

]]>
By: Renee Graham https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3285 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 23:13:04 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3285 Love the discussion above. Both are important, but a child is so much more than a number/score/percentile. I particularly worry about our poverty babies who really need to experience success and they never seem to reach the district benchmarks. I don’t share that they don’t meet the benchmark, but they know that they are still having to go to our pull-out tutors and that means they are behind. I know how much they have grown, but they still are required to go to tutoring due to benchmarks.
Now I have another question. I wanted to download the report about SGP.
When I clicked on the link below, I got this message: The system cannot find the file specified. Can anyone advise?
Get your copy of the special report, Student Growth Percentile in Star Assessments:
Thank you for your request! Click here to view the document

]]>
By: Carly https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3267 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 18:44:10 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3267 In reply to David Keech.

I really like your analogy.

]]>
By: Carly https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3266 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 18:42:51 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3266 This article dredge so many emotions from me, I hope I can organize them cohesively. First, there is growth that can be measured but there is also growth that can’t be measured. I work at a Title I school where growth can come from a homeless student who comes to school and learns to trust and self respect, which are unmeasurable. Many of those students do not show much academic growth as eloquently define by Maslow’s hierarchy years ago and still relevant today.

Secondly, academic growth and the data to support it is important. It drives instruction. “Over time” can be any period of time from a day to a year or over the course of one’s education. My issue, is how “growth” is documented. I am currently frustrated by paperwork that projects my long term goal for particularly low students as being on grade level by the end of the year. To accomplish that, some of my children would have to make over two year’s growth. I’ve had children who’ve accomplished that; however, laying that expectation on any teacher, is not reasonable, especially since the paperwork does not show the more important unmeasurable growth that child is making. The paperwork holding me accountable does not, “bring the child into the equation!”

Whether schools are part of an RTI or MTSS accountability program, the short and long term goals are always shown as academic, which will always be only part of the whole child. Until the paperwork includes Maslow’s heirarchy, the whole child will never be part of the equation!

]]>
By: Jan Bryan, Ed.D., Vice President, National Education Officer https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3260 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 14:17:51 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3260 In reply to Lisa Capon.

Thank you, Lisa. There are some great comments here about proficiency or growth. You’ve successfully captured that it is actually proficiency and growth (and exceptional teaching, and relationships among students, the content and the teacher, and…)

]]>
By: Dvawn Maza https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3259 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 14:17:44 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3259 If a child is extremely low, I focus on showing the growth to that student to encourage. We all want our students working at proficiency level or above! I love the quote “Proficiency is a destination. Growth is the journey.”

]]>
By: Jan Bryan, Ed.D., Vice President, National Education Officer https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3258 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 14:13:59 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3258 In reply to Rita Platt.

Thank you, Rita. Growth does inform day-to-day instruction in a mutually supportive way. The more you know about students and how they learn, the more potential you have to help them grow. The more you focus on growth, the greater your understanding of how students learn.

]]>
By: Jan Bryan, Ed.D., Vice President, National Education Officer https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3257 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 14:11:12 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3257 In reply to David Keech.

Thank you for this insightful reply. Using both growth and proficiency is one of many keys to unlocking the mystery that is learning. Knowledge of subject matter, understanding how learning progresses in a discipline, and instruction expertise, just to name a few, also belong on that key chain. Your comment about growth, but still needing to identify and address gaps is a critical component in learning. Proficiency, growth, content knowledge, instructional expertise, and a deep understanding of learners (including ballerinas) matters. Thank you for the eloquent example. I shall now always think of David the ballerina each time I consider growth.

]]>
By: Jan Bryan, Ed.D., Vice President, National Education Officer https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3256 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 14:08:03 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3256 In reply to Sheila Gerrish.

Thank you for your comment—especially your approach of focusing on SGPs to build the power of discouraged teachers. Of course, we cannot deem one over the other, for both proficiency and growth are required, but I’ve not yet considered growth as a measure to build teacher expertise and confidence. Thank you.

]]>
By: Narda Lugo https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3248 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 05:19:48 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3248 The more you read the better you will become. Love the analogy couldn’t have put it better myself.

]]>
By: P R https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3246 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 03:48:05 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3246 Showing growth is evidence of academic progress.

]]>
By: Meredith Sanders https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3243 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 01:04:50 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3243 We strive for proficiency, but growth is essential!

]]>
By: Sheila Gerrish https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3240 Thu, 02 Feb 2017 21:55:32 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3240 I’ve seen the power of SGPs to inform discouraged teachers that their efforts are making a difference in their students’ lives after they understand the concept of Student Growth Percentiles and what that means for each child. Also, I appreciate and so agree with Dr. Bryan’s analogy of growth as the journey! Thank you for this blog post.

]]>
By: David Keech https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3239 Thu, 02 Feb 2017 20:48:53 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3239 This discussion is largely dependent on the context. Evaluating using growth has its benefits in education. For RTI purposes, that can be a good thing , measuring how much growth a student made. Caution, however, needs to be used. Just because someone shows growth that is outstanding, there can be such a gap that growth will still leave someone woefully behind. I, for instance, might show phenomenal growth in learning ballet, far more growth than an accomplished ballerina. That doesn’t mean, however, I am can be projected to become a ballerina. Understanding both growth and proficiency and using them together is necessary.

]]>
By: Lisa Capon https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3236 Thu, 02 Feb 2017 19:49:16 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3236 Although both are important, it is important to monitor growth over time for the best measurement of progress.

]]>
By: Rita Platt https://www.renaissance.com/2017/02/02/blog-the-difference-between-proficiency-and-growth/#comment-3234 Thu, 02 Feb 2017 16:40:59 +0000 https://renlearnstg.wpengine.com/?p=5773#comment-3234 Both are good ways to monitor learning. However, growth, IMO is more important to students and teachers on a day to day level.

]]>